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#1 2009-11-03 23:52:35

emjay
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contemplation of a meat flock

should I or shouldn't I?
could I or couldn't I?

that is the question.

I know it's a good idea with all the goings on nowadays. I know what I'm eating, I know what I fed the birds. etc. My theory is A HAPPY CHICKEN IS A TASTY CHICKEN.

But, taking them to the processors, could I actually drop them off?? and leave. knowing......ugh.

I will never do it myself, had to witness it as a child, never will I do that again. horrible memories, nope, I'm a softy now.

So, If I do. what is the age generally where they are "process age", about 6 months? ? ?

and If I do this, has to be an ugly, miserable breed so that I don't get attached. Any suggestions? ahha.

tastiest, and best growth rate birds??

people keep telling us to raise a steer or pigs for the freezer, no way. lol.  CHickens is where I stop. Might have a hard enough time raising them to eat, but, I know it's such a good idea.

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#2 2009-11-04 00:01:12

Dom
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Re: contemplation of a meat flock

Cornish Crosses or Giants
Mature at about 10 weeks old and are ugly miserable and if you don't butcher them, they will all die of heart attacks or break there legs (most of ours did!)

Do it, oh and its essential to order at least 100 so you are so sick of them.


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Golden Laced polish, Silkies, OEGB, Buff orpingtons, Barred Rocks, RIRs, ameruacanas, Salmon Faverolles and Cuckoo Marans.  Mutts and crosses too.
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#3 2009-11-04 01:55:57

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Re: contemplation of a meat flock

Yes, those are the ones. We keep ours for about 12 weeks, and make sure they get exercise by keeping the food and water about 40 feet apart. We don't have too bad a problem with heart or legs, but some losses are inevitable. They dress out at 9-12 lbs for the males, 6-9 for the females, I think. And they are yummy. Theyh eat lots of grass, so are higher in omega 3s than supermarket chooks. Yes, it's a little sad taking them off for their "hot tub party" as my husband calls it, but, as I tell my daughter, a happy life and a quick death are the best that any of us could ask for, and I figure these birds get both.

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#4 2009-11-04 02:10:50

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Re: contemplation of a meat flock

CG may be butchered at 6 weeks which is the size you often find at the supermarket.  The best food to meat conversion is at about this age.  We usually keep ours to 10 weeks as we like the larger chickens.  The weights given above are perhaps a bit high for dressed weights, but some oven ready are 8 lbs.  We force ours to exercise for food and water and often put a laying hen or 2 in the run with them to teach them to eat their greens.  They are a challenge to raise as they are quite fragile.  We tried raising 150 at a time last spring and had some loses.  Next year we are doing groups of 50 about 7 weeks apart.


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#5 2009-11-04 02:28:58

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Re: contemplation of a meat flock

six weeks, wow, they mature that fast. I've had my pullets for almost that, and they haven't changed a whole bunch, they've grown obviously but, definitely not roaster size.
Them CG's must be some crazy birds. Mutant perhaps??? LOL.

I have never seen these advertised for sale here on the island, would this be a hatchery order then>?

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#6 2009-11-04 02:39:50

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Re: contemplation of a meat flock

No, they're not mutant, just REALLY intensively selected and bred for meat production.
Your local feed store probably gets them in; ask around. Or you can order from a hatchery - we get ours from Rochester, just outside Edmonton, and they fly in on Canada Post, excellent survival. I think we've only had 1 DOA out of about 300 birds over the years.

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#7 2009-11-04 02:41:04

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Re: contemplation of a meat flock

They are a hybrid developed over the last 60 -70 years.  They do grow quickly-perhaps too quickly.  Millers Hatchery lists an agent at Saanichton.  Rochesters Hatchery has several agents on the island including one at Duncan.  Chances are your local feedstore is an agent.


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#8 2009-11-04 17:24:22

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Re: contemplation of a meat flock

I should ask at Buckerfields in the spring. I know they sometimes have baby chicks and turkeys.
I would like to get the Cornish X's, as I don't like the sounds of the health issues on the full bred Cornish.

I figure as these birds were bred for meat and don't live long due to their growth rates etc. It's not as bad a thing to raise them for my freezer, at least I can give them the care and appreciation they might not have otherwise.

I think 50 birds would be the most I'd want.  so with a bird that doesn't scratch or do chicken things, how much sq. feet do they need in a run.

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#9 2009-11-04 17:43:48

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Re: contemplation of a meat flock

Full bred Cornish are a heritage breed.  If you're raising meat birds, the Cornish X's are what you want.  Buckerfields is an agent for Rochester Hatchery.  You will have some health issues that simply come with the territory.  I would put them in a fair sized (15 x 25 ft) run with water and food at opposite ends of the run.


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#10 2009-11-04 19:05:40

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Re: contemplation of a meat flock

:goodpost:

Survivor knows what is involved with the Cornish X. It's good advice. I only remember them from when I was a kid... I can say that you will definitely not like them. They are ugly and nasty birds. I actually decided as a kid that I never wanted to have chickens again. They were horrible.

Of course my thinking has now changed. They have their place in the poultry world. I can admit that now. I still think they are nasty though. I am willing to raise them as meat birds if I need to.

Pure bred Cornish are completely different. They are very strong, active, and healthy birds from my experience so far. I quite like mine. They do not grow like the X's do, so don't get them thinking you will get similar performance. I have mine for making my own X's that might have some of the same characteristics.

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww230/klorinth/Poultry/IMG_2951-1.jpg
Here is my Roo.


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#11 2009-11-04 19:32:02

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Re: contemplation of a meat flock

I recorded a blow by blow account of our experience last year if raising 150 CGs.  There are postings from other members about CG raising as well.  They do seem to be the best choice for meat birds at present.  http://www.punbb-hosting.com/forums/Alb … hp?id=2395


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#12 2009-11-05 02:02:35

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Re: contemplation of a meat flock

an interesting read.

so if all had a choice

Cornish Giants

or

Cornish Giant cross.

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#13 2009-11-05 02:50:56

Dom
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Re: contemplation of a meat flock

Do you mean: Cornish Giants or Cornish crosses?
The cornish crosses, I believe, are smaller and take longer to mature-but also have a better survival rate and are hardier.

I personally like the crosses, never had the giants, but we kept 2 cornish cross hens and both are still alive (Spring hatch) and are laying an egg a day!


Breeding for 2010
Golden Laced polish, Silkies, OEGB, Buff orpingtons, Barred Rocks, RIRs, ameruacanas, Salmon Faverolles and Cuckoo Marans.  Mutts and crosses too.
Muscovies, Rouens, maybe snowy calls.

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#14 2009-11-05 03:11:26

emjay
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Re: contemplation of a meat flock

is it not cornish giant x's, is there another meat Cornish, besides the Cornish Giant.???? I'm easily confused once the sun goes down. lol

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#15 2009-11-05 03:46:34

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Re: contemplation of a meat flock

Rochester's list a Cornish Rock Giant which is similar to the Cornish Giants from Millers.  They also have a Cornish Cross which is suppose to take a little longer to mature and have fewer health issues.  It is confusing but if I were dealing with a selection from Rochesters I would probably take the Cornish Cross.  We had one order of 25 where we butchered 27-there is usually a couple extras.


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